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Old 08-14-2009, 06:03 PM   #1
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Default SeaPuppy - Your Thoughts on the Announcement?

I'm curious to hear your thoughts on the subject of the closure of the Maxum brand. You've been a Maxum boat owner and involved directly with the company in evaluating their products.


Funny how you're in a BL now!

Of course this is fresh news, but expanding the board to include Bayliner's and Sea Ray's could really get this place jumping.
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Old 08-14-2009, 07:35 PM   #2
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It actually made me think twice about my upcoming purchase when I read about it yesterday but like someone pointed out on another post, if all that is proprietary is the hull, then we should be good to go.

Also on your question of other boats, why not? I'm sure it would get more traffic. That said, you'd probably have to change the name. I took the liberty of checking some names and something like boatownersclub.org is available to register. With a name like that you could personalize the forums to any boat. Example, maxum.boatownersclub.org, bayliner.boatownersclub.org.

Regardless, thanks for the resource.
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Old 08-14-2009, 08:22 PM   #3
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It actually made me think twice about my upcoming purchase when I read about it yesterday but like someone pointed out on another post, if all that is proprietary is the hull, then we should be good to go.

Also on your question of other boats, why not? I'm sure it would get more traffic. That said, you'd probably have to change the name. I took the liberty of checking some names and something like boatownersclub.org is available to register. With a name like that you could personalize the forums to any boat. Example, maxum.boatownersclub.org, bayliner.boatownersclub.org.

Regardless, thanks for the resource.
Yeah, I believe the proprietary aspect of boats are the hull design. Everything else really just bolts into it and are made by third party suppliers. Taking my boat as an example, the hull (Maxum), engine (Mercruiser) are both under the same parent company. Everything else, windshield, seats, stereo, carpet, cleats, lights, gauges, steering wheel, locker latches and ladder are third party. Do a search on the NADA website for boat prices and there are literally hundred of boat makes. Anyone with a mold and a telephone/PC to order supplier parts can by a boat building company.

I read that recent Maxums were coming off of the Bayliner assembly line, but I have done side by side comparisons of my boat with bayliners of the same year and the chines are different, so I assume there were different lines at one time.

I am hoping SeaPuppy may shed some light or give his opinion on if he thinks this was a smart decision in closing the name altogether instead of juggling products around such as focusing Bayliner on runabouts and Maxum and Sea Ray on Sport Cruiser/Cruiser line and leaving Sealine for Yachts. I see quite a few Maxums around so it's not like it is (was) and unknown make. I can understand capitalizing on the Bayliner name (although it carries an unfair reputation as subpar boat by owners of other makes).

I spoke at length to a Glastron salesman at a local boat show a few years ago who explained that Glastron is a small builder who focuses on quality boats from the hull to the cupholders and that they only made runabouts so that they didn't over extend and lose their focus on quality. I looked over his showroom boat and I admit, it was very nice and every aspect had a quality that exceeded my Maxum, but of course it was much more than mine also. I see they go up to 28' now. Nice boats.
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Old 08-14-2009, 08:58 PM   #4
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well....I think there are 2 parts to this question for me....
I've been a bayliner/maxum fan for about 10 yrs...owning my second bay...and really loving the maxum 2700 scr...I think that the closing of maxum was inevitable.....the first part is maxum has been likened to a bayliner with lipstick....same running gear and all..just a bit nicer material and stuff made up the maxum compared to the bay's...with that said...now bayliners are using the same switches and dashes as the maxums....my new 340 has all the same stuff as the maxum did...switches are rocker and not toggle but they are just as nice....things like that...materials are nicer and basically they are stepping up the quality of a bayliner to the maxum levels...
second part is that with the markets the way they are today...maxum was the logical line to stop....meaning that bayliners are entry level and very popular boats....just about anyone can purchase one and have fun on the water....maxums are a bit pricier and usually for people that want to move up...but the bayliners are about the same size as the maxums and performance is about the same....with that being said...Searays and other lines are much more in a different demographic and appeal to a different clientelle....maxums compete directly with the bayliners and thus again is the logical brand to stop manufacturing......especially since they were being produced on the same line!....
does it sadden me to see the brand stop??..of course...after visiting the plant..driving thier boats...making comments about what I would change....I feel a connection to them....I didn't design any of them but I sure had some input into what a boat should look like .....am I saddened for the people that are being laid off??..definitely....it's not good to have skilled people hit the streets......

those are my thoughts........

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Out of curiosity, do you think the announcement will affect the Maxum's resale value?
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at first I think it might be a bit detrimental to the brand...but then they will start to hold value....


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Wow, I log on to the site today and find out Maxum is ceasing production. When I looked for a 18 foot sport boat three years ago I really liked the Maxum. It was much less than the four winns and sea rays and I totally preferred it over the jet boats I was looking at. For a lot more you can get a bigger brand name, but not necessarily that much of a nicer boat. I have really enjoyed this boat so its sad to see it go. I fully understand business is tough and consolidating brands can save money (ie GM)

I hope this site continues as I have quietly received some great advice.
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of course we are going to keep this site going .....it's about boating...maxums....and um...boating!! :P


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Wow, that is too bad!!! Just this weekend we were plotting for an upgrade and would definitely considered Maxum... I guess we will puruse the BL website...
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I'm a bit curious on the Bayliner/Maxum comparisons. The wife and I are contemplating moving to a new boat mostly due to the incredible deals out there on left-over 07 & 08 models. It's hard to pass up a NEW boat, particularly when we 've been struggling with Used Boat Blues for some time now.

As a kid I greww up on Bayliners. Obviously I own a Maxum now. I've always wondered why the price difference between a Bayliner, Maxum and Searay when all three are manufactured by the same company. Take relatively the same sized model from Maxum and Bayliner.

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2008 Maxum 2900 SE: MSRP: $131,022.00
2008 Bayliner 300: MSRP: $107,232.00

The overall specs are basically the same in regards to length and width. The layout is almost identical. Even the same Engine/Outdrive package. The only thing that I notice is the Maxum is about 1,000 lbs heavier. So why is the Maxum almost 25K more?? Is the fiberglass layup different? Would the Maxum feel more solid than the Bayliner? I'd be very, very interested in pursuing some of the deals on 07 and 08 Bayliners, If I knew I was gettting the exact same boat as I have in a Maxum.
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