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Old 04-27-2011, 02:34 PM   #1
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Hi All,

I posted a couple weeks ago on how I got stranded on the lake and had to get TowBoatUS to come save the day but now the mechanic has just called me and given me the bad news.

First, let me give you a bit of background. We bought the boat back in August 2009 with 176 hours on it. First thing I did was have a complete service, all the oil, filters, impeller, etc changed. Had the coolant in the genny changed while I was at it. Last year (2010) at the beginning of the season I again had the oil changed as well as the impeller. We got approximately 40 hours of use from the boat but we did have to pause midway through the season and have the gimbal replaced.

I'd been up to the boat all winter, I'd start the engines periodically, and keep it nice and warm, etc... Forward to the beginning of this season. Two weeks before my episode I had been in touch with the marina mechanic. I had asked him to change the oil and do a thorough check of the fluids, etc. I had also asked him specifically about the outdrive oil and impeller and he said it was overkill to do it again and he only recommended changing it every two years.

Flash forward to this morning and he tells me that my outdrive is fried and I need a new one. He says he opened it up and there was NO oil in there whatsoever only water even though the reservoir on top of the engine was full. He says he has no idea how this happened because he does not see a leak, any damage, or anything around the prop that could have messed a seal up but that’s his best guess. As much as I want to scream at him, he has been in the business for over 30 years and at this Marina for close to 20 so I assume he is competent and this is just bad luck on my part.

The worse news is the pricing for a new outdrive. He says labor to put it on is $276 but a brand new one from Merc is going to run $14,000. A reman from them is going to run $8726. The hits keep coming....

I asked about the details so I could look online and its a Bravo III, 1.31 - 1 (23x30) gear ratio. Engine is a 7.4MPI is that matters.

Any idea guys where to start? Any ideas on what could have caused this? Obviously the oil was leaking from somewhere but then the oil was showing full. I'm disgusted to say the least.

Anyway, what are the crews suggestions? New, reman, what about used?

Thanks to all in advance.
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Old 04-27-2011, 03:47 PM   #2
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WOW!!...that's a tough one to swallow.......I'd pull the drive and see for yourself...actually have the mech. pull the drive...the oil had to go somewhere!!..especially just sitting at the dock....it sounds like someone didn't fill the drive properly from the bottom up....

I'd give these guys a call..they have a B3 drive on the floor right now for about 3500 bucks..
contact Harbor Marine in Everett wa...they can drop ship you a drive...a few weekends ago..I was there and they had a couple of drives on pallets....they are reman's but I think the price was around 3500 bucks....(don't trust my memory...)...

Harbor Marine = 1-800-392-5774

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Old 04-27-2011, 03:58 PM   #3
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Thaks SP. Will give them time to get up and then call.

Another question. In my research so far, I'm unable to find a 1.31-1 and one person has told me that they were replaced by a 1.36-1. Does this sound right? Cheers.
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I'd ask him if the prices are including a Transom assembly. That seems a little high for just a remanned drive.

Also, IT's my understanding the drive lube should be changed every year. It wouldn't be to much labor or cost to drain it and refill it as per your request, though I don't know that it would have made a difference.
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Old 04-27-2011, 05:02 PM   #5
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Cymru, if for any reason you need a second referral, Moss Marine only does outdrives, nothing else. Rebuilds and new from factory as part of an engine package where he sells 'em separately. Moss Marine Repairs Inc. 284 South Ketcham Avenue Amityville, NY 11701-3527 - (631) 598-0888 . He sold me my Alpha 1 gen 2 rebuild, warrantied and reasonable.
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First off, $14,000 is an absolute ripoff! I just had an entire transom assembly done for about $3808 (parts and labor).
I bought a Bravo III from Harbor freight for about $4000 including tax. Install was only a couple hundred bucks. This comes with the same one year warranty as Mercruiser gives on the drives they sell.

Listen, I am sure that your service tech knows what he is doing, or else he would not have been in the business as long as you said, BUT, dang! that is overpriced.
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Old 04-27-2011, 06:26 PM   #7
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Thanks guys. I just tried Harbor Marine and they only had an Alpha there. He said he sold the BIII a while ago. I asked him to get me a quote and then he called back to say that they don’t make a 1.31 and I must have it wrong. I'll have to get up there and get the serial number off the thing... As soon as I know that for sure I'll give Harbor Marine and Tommy's recommendation a call. I'll also find out about the transom assembly too Shrew.

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I'm struggling a little.......

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Two weeks before my episode I had been in touch with the marina mechanic. I had asked him to change the oil and do a thorough check of the fluids, etc. I had also asked him specifically about the outdrive oil and impeller and he said it was overkill to do it again and he only recommended changing it every two years.

Flash forward to this morning and he tells me that my outdrive is fried and I need a new one. He says he opened it up and there was NO oil in there whatsoever only water even though the reservoir on top of the engine was full.
So, even though he said it was overkill to change the drive lube and impeller again, you had him do so anyway, or did you take his recommedation?

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Old 04-27-2011, 06:41 PM   #9
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I'm sorry to say I took his advice Dan and now we'll never know if that would have saved the day or not.

I did get a little more info. Mechanic again says its a 1.31-1. It has 23 pinion gear teeth and 30 drive gear teeth. I know there was a change somewhere during the 2000's but I guess I need to confirm that a 1.36 will be good enough.
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So, I'm still confused.
1) His advice was to not bother with the drive lube or the impeller, correct?
2) And you took that advice, right?
3) And the drive lube reservoir was full, right?

If so, what possible reason would he have to even go near the drive?
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